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Channel strip mixer plug-in modeled after Chris Lord-Alge’s personal console, where countless hits have been mixed!

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Are you mixing one channel at a time with your plug-in? Are you working with restrictions that inhibit your creativity? Do you need a solution that gives you more power in less time? Then look no further than the Waves CLA MIxHub, the innovative solution to mixing in the box that models both the sound and the workflow of the hit-making console used by world-renowned engineer Chris Lord-Alge.

When Chris works at his personal console, all the controls – for all the channels – are laid out for him in an easy-to-use format. This allows him to control the mix and change it quickly on the fly, responding in real-time to mix ideas and inspiration. That ergonomic control was modeled in the new CLA MIxHub, to make mixing faster and more focused; efficient and more effective.

While typical plug-ins allow you to control one channel at a time while mixing, the CLA MixHub gives you access to your whole mix, with channels side-by-side in a single plug-in window. You can access up to 64 channels in 8 focused groups of 8 channels each, known as ‘buckets’. These buckets get populated with channel instances from your session, which then allows you to run through the adjustments of your mix on the fly, without constantly switching windows in your DAW.

Looking at a mix in terms of focused ‘buckets’ allows you to simplify the mixing process. Rather than attacking the whole mix, each bucket can be adjusted within itself for compression, EQ, dynamics, reverb and level, then blended with other buckets. Turn your workflow into a mixflow with the CLA MixHub.

The MixHub not only models the mixflow used by Chris on his personal console, but also models the sound of the console itself. The same console used for Bruce Springsteen, Green Day, the Black Eyed Peas and many more. So you get both a Grammy-winning sound and a client-winning formula to mix faster and more efficiently. And you can even rearrange the modules for each channel in any order, and insert any Waves plug-in to the chain. Put all the control, and the tone, literally at your fingertips.

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  • Detailed emulation of CLA’s console hardware & tone, with extra added features
  • Rearrange the order of any modules: EQ, Mic Pre, Compressor, Gate, Insert
  • Include an extra instance of any CLA MixHub or Waves plug-in module per channel
  • Presets from Chris Lord-Alge and other top engineers
  • Create up to 8 ‘buckets’, each with 8 channel instances, for a total of 64 channels
  • Switch between any ‘bucket’ – view all 8 channels simultaneously
  • Dial in to a single channel strip’s modules
  • Reimagine your DAW mixing to work effectively and efficiently

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ConditionNew
Software DeliveryElectronic Delivery
Plug-in TypePreamp, EQ, Dynamics
Plug-In FormatAAX Native 64-bit, RTAS, AudioSuite, AU, VST, VST3
Operating SystemMac, Windows

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Oh my ... Just as I thought I was covered using a combo of the NLS, SSL and CLA (compressors) plugins, Waves comes up with this monster.

I demo'ed it, and it sounds very, very good. The EQ sounds a bit different from the Waves SSL 4000 (E), especially in the mid range, where the MixHub sounds more pleasing in a way. But it's too noticeable, why I believe it's not exclusively modeled after the channel (CLA him self must have "tweaked" the results somewhat to optimize what he thinks lacks on the hardware – which by no mean has to be something bad). On the other hand, I don't have any real life experiences using the SSL hardware, so I can't really be a judge of how close to the real thing this is. But anyhow, this is some piece of plugin. Not only the sound, but the concept as well.

The only thing that bothered me a little was its CPU usage – ridiculously CPU hungry for its plugin type. But i guess new times, new demands are coming. (Initially I also reacted on the fact that the plugin's missing pans and mute/solo, but then I realized that it has its reason, design-wise.)

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(Initially I also reacted on the fact that the plugin's missing pans..)

It's right there on the interface (unless you meant something else?)
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It's right there on the interface (unless you meant something else?)

Correct, the stereo version has pan (although not in "Bucket View"). The mono version doesn't.

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I demo'ed it, and it sounds very, very good.

As for mute, I am guessing you would do that via the standard MCP. There is a pan control there - if that is what you are referring to.

The EQ sounds really nice, I like it.
I've gone through a whole bunch of free eq plugins, most of which I did not like - they either sounded horrid or were just a pain in the coight to use. The main eq plugin I use now is the Focusrite 110 EQ, for a free plugin it has a nice sound, I like it anyway Only one drawback, if you use the EFQ-1 variant it clicks when you start/stop playing. It does not effect the output sound of your rendered mix, just annoying when you hear this clicking all the time when you start/stop a lot.

I have not played with it (MIx Hub) a lot yet, but I do like the idea of having input, eq, dynamics all in the one box. I will muck around with it more over the next few weeks.

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Correct, the stereo version has pan (although not in "Bucket View"). The mono version doesn't.

Ahh get what you mean now.

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There is a pan control there - if that is what you are referring to.

Yes, but like I replied to 'bladerunner', it's only in the stereo version (but only in channel view, not in bucket view).

Obviously, pans and mute/solo will have to be done from the DAW itself (at least for now), because design-wise it's more than just "solo it" ... what should be muted when you hit the button? Just the tracks with in the bucket, or the whole DAW?

Edit: Ah, you replied. OK

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Just to point out that with REAPER's fx track controls you can have knobs for anything you want all visible in the mixer and/or TCP. Not limited to 8 at a time.

Something you can't do in Pro Tools or Logic (don't know about other DAWs).

The whole marketing schtick for this is that it recreates console workflow, but the big thing it fails to deliver is the ability to move multiple faders and turn multiple knobs at the same time.

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Just to point out that with REAPER's fx track controls you can have knobs for anything you want all visible in the mixer and/or TCP. Not limited to 8 at a time.

This is a REAPER forum. We know that!

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I don't understand all these plugins putting in (even if they are historically accurate) these extremely crippled as gates. gates were a HUGE part of the the earliest REAPER versions and a reason why so many chose to take a look at it. These 1970's gates being emulated bring nothing to the table that a better gate can't do.

Gates still need way more advancement, its one of the few areas where you can really say that retro brings NOTHING to the table. their entire abilities fit into the venn diagram circle of a decently modern gate

I don't really see the difference between this plug and one of their other SSL channel plugins

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I don't understand all these plugins putting in (even if they are historically accurate) these extremely crippled as gates. gates were a HUGE part of the the earliest REAPER versions and a reason why so many chose to take a look at it. These 1970's gates being emulated bring nothing to the table that a better gate can't do.

Gates still need way more advancement, its one of the few areas where you can really say that retro brings NOTHING to the table. their entire abilities fit into the venn diagram circle of a decently modern gate

I don't really see the difference between this plug and one of their other SSL channel plugins

I agree. Using emulated 19xx-gates makes no sense since, let alone limited functionality, it's actually not even a character plugin (or is it?). On the other hand I personally close to never use gates anyway. And if I would, I find ReaGate good enough, far better than those on, say, SSL plugins.

Although, the difference between this plugin and other SSL 4000 emulations is that this one have a ducker style added.

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Although, the difference between this plugin and other SSL 4000 emulations is that this one have a ducker style added.

The thing CLA was talking massive shit against in the unscripted video ?

but actually, thats pretty cool that it has a ducker
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The thing CLA was talking massive shit against in the unscripted video ?

but actually, thats pretty cool that it has a ducker
$69. "pretty cool" ducker ???
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Been using reaper for 18 months and didn’t know this! I thought I had to open up an effect to change its parameters. Tell me how to put fx parameter knobs on the mixer and the tcp, please!
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Been using reaper for 18 months and didn’t know this! I thought I had to open up an effect to change its parameters. Tell me how to put fx parameter knobs on the mixer and the tcp, please!

I think I could make use of that too... contest comin up an all...

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I thought I had to open up an effect to change its parameters. Tell me how to put fx parameter knobs on the mixer and the tcp, please!

You can do it from the FX window via Parameter button, FX parameter list, Show in track controls. Below an example with one FX parameter already added into the TCP. How exactly the parameters are shown in the TCP/MCP depends on the theme.

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Yep, track controls are great. Here's an example:



I use one of these to control the knobs, if you set up and save an fx with track controls as an fx chain it recalls the settings. You can use different midi channels to control different fx in the chain. These things are cheap and handy as hell:

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And here's a video from Kenny for a bit more of an in-depth tutorial:

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I post a mini-review of a new plugin with great sound and cool concept, and fanboys show how to do "the same thing" with customization within REAPER ...

Thank you!

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Erm, or a forum member asked how to do something that was mentioned in the thread and people were helpful enough to give answers...

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Well ….. and there are also the relevant @ pipelineaudio 'Gate' posts which give me pause.
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Waves has a 30% off code today for V-Day. I have been on the fence about Mixhub since it was announced. I like my ssl channel strip, and have several others. Do I need another one? Yup! But two things have put me off trying it:

- CPU usage. I have found conflicting reports, but most say it's pretty cpu heavy. But by how much? Is it comparable to say, the ssl channel and nls channel together? Or, more than that? It's not clear to me, but I am reading all the feedback as heavier than the two together, so no...not worth it for me.

- It's intended to be used on every track in order to mix like on a console, sounds like a great idea. But, I don't want to end up using the same thing on every track. Using certain eq's and comps on certain tracks is important, and I don't want to take away from that. Sure I can still use my own things as I need to, but if that's the case then why bother with this?

Would love to be swayed the other way, but I think for now I'll pass. Honestly I wish the Slate VMR worked this way, which would give you the best of both worlds: options for processing but with an overview of all instances. And....not cpu hungry!

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Curious to see how this compares to Satson Channel Strip that just launched for the same price. The interface looks great but I'm pretty annoyed with Waves's licensing situation. Worth a shot, though.

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Waves has a 30% off code today for V-Day. I have been on the fence about Mixhub since it was announced. I like my ssl channel strip, and have several others. Do I need another one?

I got the 30% off email a few days ago but just couldn't make up my mind which plugin to buy. Then I decided I wasn't going to buy a plugin just for the sake of buying a plugin, even 30% off!

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I really do not know what to make of this plugin. I like the sound, but then i like the sound of my PA strips too, plug i like the new Satson strip (a bit more probably)
The satson strip seems to have nicer saturation too. Some people over at GS were (speculating) that the CLA plug has the same saturation as the NLS plugin. It has a very similar harmonic profile. I don't know for sure though.

All in all it does sound good, but it is a bit cluunky to use, and as others have pointed out, great thingd ca be done right in reaper. These days i am using the DAW more and more, it is more efficient and i get better results.
This plugin seems a bit too heavy on CPU to use it extensively across a whole mix.

Debating selling mine TBH. Made me realise that i need to stop buying shiny new things, unless they are made by DMG lol.

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Even though I LOVE this plugin I decided not to purchase it – yet. Waves will have to go over the obvious bugs (not so many in REAPER, though, but on other systems) and definitely do something about the embarrassing CPU usage. (I guess I'm lucky, though, because "my" REAPER could handle nearly 40 mono before it totally capitulated. And I do not have a super computer.)

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The Waves licensing handling is not that complicated today as it perhaps was in the past. One just has to get used to their "central" (which, yes, is somewhat poorly designed). Although, other developers have similar, like XLN Audio for example.

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people over at GS were (speculating) that the CLA plug has the same saturation as the NLS plugin. It has a very similar harmonic profile. I don't know for sure though.

I would guess that the GS's are partially right. Both plugins are modeled on the same console brand, so ... (I'm thinking reusing code with modified input values etc). Still, I actually did a test when I demoed the MixHub, because I as well was a little suspicious. But I really didn't think they sound the "same", and I don't even have the super ears many others are gifted with

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Even though I LOVE this plugin I decided not to purchase it – yet.

I have been using this plug for awhile now and I like the sound of it.
As for the 'using it as a mixer', which you can if your so compelled to do so, I prefer to mix within Reaper - especially if you are not using Mixhub on every channel, or at least the majority of. To me the mixing capability is not something I care for.

As for the advertising blurb where it says "You can now mix as fast as CLA"well if you believe that, good on ya. Don't know anyone that can wrangle two or more mouses at a time - if it was even possible to have that many in use at once If you had an external control surface you could assign the faders from Mixhub to that may be a different thing. Having said that, you can do that with Reaper and a control surface as well - the the mixing part I feel is a bit of a gimmick rather than anything valuable.

In hindsight would I buy it again today?
Hmmmm hard to say - As I said, I like the sound of it a lot and you can do a lot with it. Although I am sure there are many other plugins that can do the same, or maybe ever better.

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The Waves licensing handling is not that complicated today as it perhaps was in the past. One just has to get used to their "central" (which, yes, is somewhat poorly designed). Although, other developers have similar, like XLN Audio for example.



I would guess that the GS's are partially right. Both plugins are modeled on the same console brand, so ... (I'm thinking reusing code with modified input values etc). Still, I actually did a test when I demoed the MixHub, because I as well was a little suspicious. But I really didn't think they sound the "same", and I don't even have the super ears many others are gifted with

Yeah, i agree with most of the sentiments expressed here. I like the sound of it, butdidnt buy it for the workflow - because it is ot a great worklow.
I am quicker with the plugin alliance stuff.

The one i am looking at is the console one. That to me seems quite tempting in Reaper. Even though i am using a lot of proudly modern plugins to mix with, i really like that hands on approach. I am tempted to sell all of my ssl plugs (as much as i love them) and just consolidate it to one system.


And yeah i think using a channel strip plug then mapping the eq/comp to reapers mixer is a great way to work. If only you could imbed metering for gain reduction etc.

What i am learning is - most things are quicker with reaper.
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As for the 'using it as a mixer', which you can if your so compelled to do so, I prefer to mix within Reaper - especially if you are not using Mixhub on every channel, or at least the majority of. To me the mixing capability is not something I care for.

As for the advertising blurb where it says "You can now mix as fast as CLA"well if you believe that, good on ya. Don't know anyone that can wrangle two or more mouses at a time - if it was even possible to have that many in use at once
Yes, the "you can now mix as CLA"-thing is a bit too goofy ...

But as a channels trip plugin, this is the most interesting I've come over. Ever! In the past I thought very little of channel strip plugins until Waves introduced the SSL 4000 Collection (still it took years till I decided to buy it). I was even a very annoying (yes, I know, I'm still annoying) anti-analogue-emulation-plugin critic who claimed all that could be achieved with any stock plugins in various, clever combinations (which I still believe you can, I mean: ReaComp + [plugin] ... Hey!). Just as "annoying" as some (early) in this thread have been when they demonstrated how "the same thing" as MixHub could be done with customizations within REAPER ...

Aaaaanyway ...

I also like the bucket concept. But it will hardly replace my main mixing routine. I will need fully functional panning, solo'ing, mute'ing and so on to even consider trying to change my routine.

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Just as "annoying" as some (early) in this thread have been when they demonstrated how "the same thing" as MixHub could be done with customizations within REAPER ...
I am sure if someone was adapt enough they could get Reaper with stock plugins to emulate a good number of commercially available plugins, or close to.

I guess there are two things at play here:
1. Some just want a plug n play result, where they still have some manual control.

2. Some don't have the time, patience or in some cases know-how to chain up multiple plugins or customisations to achieve a desired sound - by that I mean which plugins, in which order, and what settings to use on each. That is something that comes from a lot of experience and experimenting.

I would say I fall into both categories. I like knowing that plugin A will get me a certain sound and plugin B a certain sound etc. I'd rather spend five hours toying around with automation than one hour trying to get a 'sound' from a chain of plugins.

De-essing would be a good example of this, sometimes I will use ReaEQ to trigger ReaComp as a sidechain de-esser - but it is not the magic bullet. I've tried a few de-ess free plugins, and honestly I get better results from the Rea sidechain combo. Although 99% of the time I will de-ess by using automation, you have full control over how it is happening and the end result. Yes it can take a lot of time, but the results are definitely worth it.

And really option one is probably why most buy a particular plugin in the first place, to get a certain sound without fuss.

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March 17th, 2019

Added: Over 250 new artist presets to CLA MixHub.
Added: CLA MixHub Lite (Mono and Stereo) components for reduced CPU consumption (up to 30% reduction depending on processor type).
Improved: Both CLA MixHub Channel View and Bucket View can now be opened simultaneously.
Improved: Any individual CLA MixHub module (Input, EQ, Dynamics) can now be added as an extra insert plugin inside the CLA MixHub Insert slot.
Fixed: Various bugs in CLA MixHub, Abbey Road TG Mastering Chain and Scheps Omni Channel ...

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REAPER v5.973+dev0316 and the latest CLA MixHub (VST3) update don't like each other. REAPER crashes. Although, with the latest official REAPER release (v5.973) it seems to work fine.

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Hoping to see CLA MixHub on promo soon … will likely add.

FYI _ Metric Halo Channel Strip 3 down to $25. now @ Audio Deluxe (usually $179.)

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I just did a Waves update and I certainly do not see 250 presets, which is a massive amount in any-ones wildest dreams.

I can see them, though!

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I can see them, though!

Mine has 69, I feel so ripped off

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Interesting, might chrck that out. Always just wrote it off as 'old' but it does seem to be popular!

think i found a buyer for my mixhub. I like it, it is a pretty good plug, but doesn't seem to make sense for me with my reaper workflow.

What i am thinking of doing is using the cash and selling my brainworx ssl strips and buying a softube console one. I think that workflow looks pretty damn good in reaper.

As others have mentioned, waves will likely put Mixhub on a ridiculous sale soon, if anyone wants it.
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I'll sound in on this.

I'm a big fan of Waves plugins, however, the confirmation bias is massive for me.

I bought Kramer HLS Channel awhile back and I thought it sounded good in demo form. Once I downloaded the full version, I found I couldn't find a use for it. So it sits.

Another Waves bias story: I demoed the API 550 plugins and they sounded (to me) incredible. It had a soft roundness I found really pleasing, much like a great tube amplifier. Then a kindly Reaper forum member pointed me in the direction of Hornet. The sound was very similar, but the GUI was a bit less impressive. I felt I could hear a crispier edge than the Waves.

That's when I knew I was biasing myself. I wanted the "real deal" so I was hearing things that probably weren't there.

Waves has a great marketing team and excellent graphics. CLA is a big name and the rollout on this plugin is huge. Those youtube ads sound and look amazing. When we dl the demo, we WANT it to sound that good. So it does.

The experts among us who have found ways to recreate the functionality and even tone within Reaper's stock self are living proof. I'm sure they're getting precisely the same thing as Mixhub. The only difference would likely be the user-friendliness. Parameter modulation is a bit more involved than a plugin with an easily readable UI.

Don't mistake: I prefer knobs, buttons, and faders. They help me visualize the workflow better. However, they don't inherently sound better.

It's your money, you can make your own choice, of course. If you feel Mixhub will help you work better, then go for it. But no plugin will ever be a "game-changer."

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I don't understand all these plugins putting in (even if they are historically accurate) these extremely crippled as gates. gates were a HUGE part of the the earliest REAPER versions and a reason why so many chose to take a look at it. These 1970's gates being emulated bring nothing to the table that a better gate can't do.

Gates still need way more advancement, its one of the few areas where you can really say that retro brings NOTHING to the table. their entire abilities fit into the venn diagram circle of a decently modern gate

I don't really see the difference between this plug and one of their other SSL channel plugins

The funny thing to me is that the 1st mixing console I learned to work on was an SSL 4000E. The thing back then was the 4000E was never really known for it's sound quality. If anything it was always highly criticized for it's harsh sound since it was well, "Solid State" transistor op-amp based. Where the SSL 4000E shined for it's time was in it's routing capabilities and the fact that it had parametric EQ as well as having a full dynamics section with side chaining capabilities on every channel strip. The Mic pres were nothing to write home about. The main attractiveness of an SSL was that you could really dial things in and route any channel to another channel. It made it simple to route a kick drum to a side chain gate of a bass line track to tighten up the low end groove on a mix. The gates on every channel were mostly used to help cut down the noise floor coming from the 2in Analog tape. You had to close the gate on a track when that track wasn't playing any music. You have 48 tracks of tape hiss going into a console like we did, that noise adds up and becomes rather loud in the mix.

In another room in the same studio there was an API console. Now that didn't have the routing flexibility or dynamics on every channel like the SSL but it definitely had a much smoother sound where the sound of that mixer was highly regarded. The API eventually had to be retired due to needing constant repair but the owner of the studio had me build API lunch boxes out of the mic pre-amp and EQ sections. Those things sold like hot-cakes on the order of $3K-$5K a piece. SSL channel strips that were going on the fritz? We couldn't give those away.


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The funny thing to me is that the 1st mixing console I learned to work on was an SSL 4000E. The thing back then was the 4000E was never really known for it's sound quality. If anything it was always highly criticized for it's harsh sound since it was well, "Solid State" transistor op-amp based. ...

Great story! Thanks for sharing!

I suppose you’re right. Back then half the battle was to control and/or get rid of the unwanted sounds and noises. Today we can almost fully concentrate on the wanted sound and, ironically enough, add some of that unwanted sound whenever we feel like it, because we think it sounds so ... great!

I have always been an great fan of the sounds of the seventies, why it may seem a little odd that I’m such a fan of SSL, when instead I should have gone for the Neve stuff and the likes. And I actually love plugins like the Waves V-series for instance. But having an “analogue” channel strip with all the necessary tools “in one” for processing my sounds not only helps me getting the sound I want fast, it also make the mixing fun. (Before the old Waves SSL 4K I wouldn’t touch a channel strip plugin.)

The CLA MixHub is not only about the sound, though, it’s also about how easy it is to get the sound you want. This plugin is crazy that way! As well as pretty damn good looking, I might add! (Yes, I love eye candy!)

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Mixing Guitars With Waves CLA Mix Hub - Free Tutorial

In this short, free video tutorial for Production Expert, Michael Costa demonstrates his mixing workflow using the CLA MixHub on guitar parts. MixHub is an efficient way of mixing as it combines input processing, EQ, and Dynamic Control, and the ability to open Waves plugins within MixHub.

The Workflow

Once CLA MixHub is inserted on the channels in your mix, you can assign your tracks to buckets and begin making adjustments on the fly: mixing dynamics, EQ, saturation and more at a free-flowing pace without needing to switch plugin windows in your DAW.

While mixing, you can flip between two plugin view modes: Bucket View, with control of up to 8 channels at a time, or Channel View, focusing on a single channel’s processing chain.

Each channel consists of 5 sections: input, dynamics, EQ, output, and an insert point. Each processing module can be expanded to reveal additional functionality.

Input Section

The input section handles high and low-pass filtering and switchable harmonic distortion. The “line” control models the line amp in Chris’s console, adding light saturation. For more extreme drive, kick in the mic pre. This, in effect, is like running a line-level signal through the console’s microphone preamp.

Dynamics

The dynamics section includes two flavours of compression: the console’s built-in compressor, as well as Chris’s favoured “Bluey” compressor. Also included: a gate, expander and ducker with a “hold” control and flexible side-chain options for shaping a sound’s envelope – as Chris calls it, it’s a ‘super-gate.’

EQ

The EQ section includes 4 bands of parametric EQ, from wide bells to narrow boost and cuts, loaded with the console’s original ballistics and Q characteristics.

Output

The output section includes a VU meter and plasma-style PPM meter, plus a stereo imaging control and an output fader.

Sours: https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/production-expert-1/mixing-guitars-with-waves-cla-mix-hub

Waves Audio has announced that the introductory price for CLA MixHub will end soon.

Waves CLA MixHub

The first plugin of its kind, CLA MixHub captures the smooth console workflow and rich analog sound of legendary mixer Chris Lord-Alge. Mix up to 64 tracks – all from the same plugin window – using channel strips modeled from CLA’s personal console. Mix musically, within the context of a song, as swiftly and effortlessly as your ideas come.

Since its release, there have been some updates to the plugin:

  • New “Lite” component added – uses up to 30% less CPU.
  • Over 250 presets added from the world’s top mixing engineers.
  • Channel View and Bucket View can be used simultaneously in separate windows.
  • Add an additional CLA MixHub module (EQ, Input, Dynamics) as an extra plugin in the insert slot.

Regularly $99 USD, CLA MixHub is on sale for $69 USD until May 19th, 2019. A free, full 7-day demo of CLA MixHub is available.

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Stan_Halen#1

I didn’t pay a lot of attention to this at first, but watched this video tutorial and I think it looks really interesting. I’m still not clear on where you instantiate this “plugin” (?), but you can mix up to 64 tracks in your DAW with it. There are some cool features, but it also look like it may not work seamlessly in all DAWs. The Specs have exceptions for BandLab (Cakewalk) and Studio One, just certain features that won’t work in those. I’m curious if anyone has got this (just came out a few days ago IIRC) and tried it in Reaper. I’m particularly curious how the sidechain features work … if they work inside the plugin okay with Reaper. Waves shows Reaper 5 as a Supported Host (VST3) with no caveats.

Stan_Halen#2

I looked at the manual, so it’s saying you have to instantiate this plugin on every track in the session that you want to control with MixHub (makes sense). Then, I guess on any channel/track with the plugin, you can navigate to the “buckets” of 8 tracks, and other buckets. That’s where you’ll assign the tracks to buckets, and use the MixHub interface.

So to prep a session, you’ll be instantiating 64 plugins (if you use all slots), you’ll be naming your DAW tracks with 6 characters or less (due to limited space in Bucket View) or renaming them in MixHub to make sense, you’ll be assigning the 64 tracks to buckets, etc. It could be quite a bit of session setup, but I guess the idea is that you can then (somewhat) mix quickly like CLA with a console bucket at your fingertips.

redworks#3

Yeah I am wondering about it as well. I am running studio one so it may not matter.

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cptfiasco#4

The plugin world is just chasing their own tail now. This is basically an “add-on” modifier for shitty D.A.W. layout and design, why not just create “Cla DAW” ?

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vtr#5

Hah, looks cool… and it will dovetail seemlessly with the ‘mother of all controllers’ that i’m still 'er ‘designing’ in my head. By the time its done, Waves will probably have built their own. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Jonathan#6

I think the real big game changer could be the preamps. If they got the impedance and non linearities modeled, they could finally have a plugin that could stick it to PA and UAD. But they would have really needed to get this right to be offering much that the SSL bundle doesn’t already have included imo. If this becomes part of the mercury bundle I’ll check it out! :slight_smile:

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Jonathan#7

cptfiasco:

why not just create “Cla DAW” ?

I imagine its because CLA uses pro tools

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cptfiasco:

why not just create “Cla DAW” ?

“Proudly made in New Joyzee.” :slightly_smiling_face:

Jonathan:

If this becomes part of the mercury bundle

On their website it says it’s included in Mercury, so I guess if you already have that you would get it for free (as an update)?

Jonathan:

they would have really needed to get this right

It’s supposed to be modeled from his console. I thought it was a clever way to capitalize on the “CLA mania” trend. That’s why I initially didn’t even give it a glance as I thought it was kind of a gimmick. That ooh-ahh stuff about CLA and his console doesn’t really grab me, it’s the design of the plugin I’m intrigued with. Is it really usable and effective, or the new toy for NAMM? Each channel strip lets you add an extra Waves plugin, so there’s that (if you have other Waves plugins). If you’d need other plugins on your tracks, then maybe this wouldn’t make much sense as you’d be going back and forth?

Paul999#9

This is a product aiming at console workflow. I think the end result is that you’ll be navigating between regular DAW workflow and this quasi-console sim workflow. I wouldn’t like that.

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Paul999:

I think the end result is that you’ll be navigating between regular DAW workflow and this quasi-console sim workflow. I wouldn’t like that.

Right, it could have the benefits of both … but the workflow of neither. :tired_face:

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Jonathan#11

Stan_Halen:

That ooh-ahh stuff about CLA and his console doesn’t really grab me, it’s the design of the plugin I’m intrigued with.

The Ooh Ahh of the Brainworx and UAD were worth paying top dollar to me. Because they added something I felt was truly extraordinary - namely nailing the key sonic characteristics I always loved about real SSL boards. But if Waves did it here, then they managed to do it at a fraction of the price. Those BX and UAD are VERY expensive!! However, they were such a workflow game changer that I’m glad I had them. They’ve gotten me to a finished sound I was totally happy with in a much more timely manner.

Stan_Halen:

On their website it says it’s included in Mercury, so I guess if you already have that you would get it for free (as an update)?

I didn’t have time to look at it in depth… I just got back from playing a really important concert - been traveling and only had my cell phone to keep up to speed with. I’ll be back in the office and mixing again tomorrow. Can’t wait to try it out!

Paul999:

This is a product aiming at console workflow.

This is the part I’m REALLY stumped with. I haven’t had any time with this yet, but I skimmed through the promo video that Stan posted.

Dude… the whole ‘console workflow’ thing in my opinion boils down to tactile control and ergonomic management of channels. If you want to talk about a ITB console workflow, that Slate Raven is the dang closest thing you can get without actually having a console. When I watch these videos, I thought about how much I’d miss reaching up and grabbing a fader if you took my board away. I mean… you’re still clicking around with a mouse! How is that ‘console workflow’???

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vtr#12

What if I made a modular ‘bucket’ Midi Controller that matched and controlled that plugin EXACTLY?

I keep coming back to this point in my mind…

Every time I want to make a new controller, I want it to emulate a plugin, not emulate an analog console workflow generally.

Kind of the egg and the chicken situation.

Once they make the plugin (from the hardware), then I can make the controller to match the software.

8 motorized faders is do-able, faderport 8 is currently about $500.

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Jonathan:

How is that ‘console workflow’???

It’s trying to emulate a console, and it’s certainly trying to appeal to the console mindset, but yeah it’s really missing the tactile part (Paul’s keyword “aiming”). Unless …

vtr:

What if I made a modular ‘bucket’ Midi Controller that matched and controlled that plugin EXACTLY?

If you had an 8-fader DAW controller mapped to that plugin, and were using the ‘console’ plugin almost exclusively, this whole thing might make some sense. Your DAW controller would then kind of be a mini-console. It would come close, perhaps, cost much less, take up a lot less space, and use tons less electricity. :slightly_smiling_face:

The cool thing about that idea is that you can map everything once, and only have to use a mouse for some specific DAW functions.

vtr#14

Pretty much the same idea as the Softube Console 1 then :slight_smile:

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Cirrus#15

Looks a bit like Harrison Mixbus 32c.

I dunno, I’m sure it’ll be good. I like Waves’ stuff. But given that you’ll almost certainly be having to navigate both this plugin and your DAW’s existing layout for other plugs (one insert per track is… not impossible, but might well be a limitation in many circumstances, even more so that it has to be a waves plugin - so you can’t substitute your favourite VST from another manufacturer) it strikes me that it’s an extra, probably unnecessary, layer of complication while mixing.

I do think there’s something to having a consistent EQ & compressor circuit available across every channel in a mix, and that it’s a workflow and mental clarity bonus. It doesn’t require a specific console to be modelled to give it any mystical mojo.

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Cirrus:

Looks a bit like Harrison Mixbus 32c.

Cirrus:

I do think there’s something to having a consistent EQ & compressor circuit available across every channel in a mix, and that it’s a workflow and mental clarity bonus.

Yeah, that’s one thing I liked about it too.

Cirrus:

It doesn’t require a specific console to be modelled to give it any mystical mojo.

That’s what I meant about the ooh-ahh stuff not grabbing me. It’s interesting, and dovetails with the Waves “Signature” line of products thing, but seems to tap into the “modeling - magic” marketing hype.

Jonathan#17

Need up being slammed in a time crunch last night to finish a mix… so I resorted to a template that didn’t have the mix hub on it. By the time I remembered I was gonna try it I was almost done lol. Gonna mess with it today for sure though :slight_smile:

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Jonathan#18

Ugh!!! My Mercury bundle expired in November. I may wait a good year to renew. Sorry guys…

I was really looking forward to doing a quick review of this thing, but because I have the Brainworx and UAD versions of the SSL channel strip, that mix hub is not worth paying $225 to update and add to Mercury bundle. They’re gonna have to add more than the CLA mix hub to their Mercury bundle to entice me to renew.

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Stan_Halen#19

Jonathan:

Sorry guys…

I was really looking forward to doing a quick review of this thing

No worries. :slightly_smiling_face: I was very curious about it, but I don’t think that anyone who chimed in was drooling over acquiring it. I guess my main interest, per the thread title … is could this be some kind of game changer for mixing-in-the-box, maybe even down the road as they match a DAW controller with it or something. What are the future prospects, and could it inform what we could look forward to. Or not.

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The latest collaboration between Waves and Grammy-winning engineer Chris Lord-Alge is an emulation of a full channel strip from the latter’s actual SSL 4000 series mixer, with a particular feature that can only be described as ‘killer’. 

Claiming to be “the first multitrack” plugin (Softube’s Console 1 system is similar in concept but very different in execution), CLA MixHub lets you access up to 64 instances of the plugin via any one of them. Thus, a full SSL console is effectively recreated in a single window within the host DAW, conveniently grouped into banks of eight channels at a time, called ‘buckets’. 

Bucket list 

Once inserted into as many channels of the host DAW’s mixer as you need (see Kicking the Buckets), any running instance of MixHub can be switched between its Channel View (ie, all of its own channel strip components together) and the grouped Bucket View, where the selected bucket of up to eight channels is flipped between grouped operation of one of said components at a time. While that’s certainly the headline, however, it wouldn’t count for much if the channel strip itself wasn’t up to snuff - which, fortunately, it very much is. 

The four main component modules largely mirror their SSL inspiration, comprising Input, Output, EQ and Dynamics. There’s also an Insert slot into which you can plumb any one of your installed Waves plugins. Input, EQ and Dynamics can each be set to stereo, dual mono or mid-side configuration, and clicking the Expanded View button on a module blows it up to two separate channels (left/right or mid-side) for independent tweaking, and reveals the Dynamics module’s Sidechain EQ, or opens the interface of the Insert plugin. The EQ, Dynamics and Insert modules can be freely rearranged by dragging them left and right. 

All module cons

The Input section has Line and Mic input level controls, each dialling in its own style of harmonic distortion when pushed hard, and Mic adding up to 50dB of gain. This distortion (and more at the output) can be disabled by deactivating the Analog button, while the Noise function models the background noise of Lord-Alge’s SSL. All of this analogue flavouring is very subtle. Phase invert, low- and high-pass filters, and a -20dB pad round off the Input module. 

The EQ is an exact match for the SSL original, with two fully parametric mid bands flanked by high and low bands that can be switched between shelving and bell modes. Up to 15dB of cut or boost is on tap for every band, and the LMF and HMF Q controls range from sharp and surgical to broad and musical.

Kicking the Buckets

MixHub’s multitrack workflow couldn’t be easier to operate. You start by loading the plugin onto every channel of your mix - don’t worry, it’s impressively light on CPU usage. You then assign each instance to one of eight ‘Buckets’ - each of which holds up to eight channels - either via a menu or a colour-coded assignment overview. So, you have one Bucket for your drum channels, another for your vocals, one for your guitars, etc. Then, flip any instance of MixHub from the regular Channel View to Bucket View to see your choice of the four channel strip modules (Input, EQ, Dynamics or Output) for the up-to-eight component channels of the active Bucket, ready for visually grouped editing, with eight tabs along the top used to switch between Buckets. Most of the Channel View controls are visible for each module, and those that aren’t (the Output format buttons, for example) can be revealed via the Expanded VIew button, which shows the full module for one channel - but not, alas, its full strip. 

The name of each plugin’s host track appears at the top of its strip in Bucket View (although we did experience the odd bug in that department, necessitating manual renaming), and channels are rearranged within Buckets by dragging and dropping.

The Dynamics section is headed up by a compressor that switches between the original SSL design and sound, and an emulation of Lord- Alge’s ‘blue stripe’ (or “Bluey”, as he calls it) Universal Audio 1176, with its lightning fast attack and alternative sound. Both models offer ratios up to inf:1, and two Attack speeds. Below that, the Gate/Expander adds ducking to the SSL setup, complete with Hold control, and a full-on sidechain EQ for highly detailed shaping of external keying signals. There’s also a Dry/Wet mix control for parallel processing. 

Finally, the Output module houses a bank of buttons for selecting mono or various stereo output formats, stereo widening and narrowing, a 200Hz LF shelf, and comprehensive metering.

Lord-Alge and master

The first thing to say about CLA MixHub in appraisal is that it sounds superb. Waves are no strangers to big desk emulation, and this one’s a beauty, exuding analogue warmth, depth and focus. Just like a real SSL, the EQ is easy to work with, while the extended Dynamics section gives plenty of enveloping options. 

The multitrack functionality is nothing short of revelatory, feeling like a natural replacement for the standard DAW mixer. Jumping between Buckets and modules is fast and intuitive, and there’s a real sense of empowerment that comes from being able to apply such high-end processing to the individual elements of a whole drum kit, vocal group, etc. And although changing one instance of the plugin from Bucket to Channel View or vice versa also changes all other instances, you can have as many different Bucket Views open at a time as you like. With a big enough monitor, you could conceivably get eyes-on with the whole console! 

We do have a few niggles, though. Presumably due to the limitations of VST/AU/ AAX plugin implementation at this point, there are no mute or solo buttons, and having to head back out to the host mixer to hear channels in isolation does break the spell somewhat. Also not Waves’ fault, you can’t step between instances in one plugin’s Channel View. This isn’t a major problem, thanks to the Bucket View’s Extended View function, but when you want to see the full channel strip for a track, you do have to navigate to its plugin. And a wish rather than a complaint: it would be great if each Bucket served as a proper hierarchical bus, with its own top-level EQ and dynamics modules for processing its assigned channels collectively, rather than just being a visual grouping. 

Unavoidable technological limitations aside, however, CLA MixHub’s channel-aggregating approach works very well indeed, bringing your entire mix together in a single interface, and sounding fantastic doing it. 

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Waves introduces CLA MixHub Plugin
by The Press Desk   24th January 2019

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Waves introduces CLA MixHub Plugin

The first plugin of its kind, CLA MixHub captures the smooth console workflow and rich analog sound of legendary mixer Chris Lord-Alge. Mix up to 64 tracks – all from the same plugin window – using channel strips modeled from CLA’s personal console. Mix musically, within the context of a song, as swiftly and effortlessly as your ideas come.

Plugins normally work on only one channel at a time. CLA MixHub is the first plugin to work in buckets – groupings of up to 8 channels, in up to 8 buckets in total. In other words, you can mix up to 64 channels from one CLA MixHub plugin window. By mixing tracks side by side in the MixHub’s buckets, you’ll gain a mixing perspective that lets you immediately hear how one track’s processing affects others within a song.

The Sound
The channel strips are meticulously modeled from the ground up with the latest technology, directly from Grammy-winning mix legend Chris Lord-Alge’s personal console – the console that Chris has used to mix a huge number of hits, from Green Day, Muse and Sugarland to Keith Urban and many more.

The Workflow
Once CLA MixHub is inserted on the channels in your mix, you can assign your tracks to buckets and begin making adjustments on the fly: mixing dynamics, EQ, saturation and more at a free-flowing pace without needing to switch plugin windows in your DAW.

While mixing, you can flip between two plugin view modes: Bucket View, with control of up to 8 channels at a time, or Channel View, focusing on a single channel’s processing chain.

Each channel consists of 5 sections: input, dynamics, EQ, output, and an insert point. Each processing module can be expanded to reveal additional functionality.

Input Section
The input section handles high- and low-pass filtering and switchable harmonic distortion. The “line” control models the line amp in Chris’s console, adding light saturation. For more extreme drive, kick in the mic pre. This, in effect, is like running a line-level signal through the console’s microphone preamp.

Dynamics
The dynamics section includes two flavors of compression: the console’s built-in compressor, as well as Chris’s favored “Bluey” compressor. Also included: a gate, expander and ducker with a “hold” control and flexible sidechain options for shaping a sound’s envelope – as Chris calls it, it’s a ‘super-gate.’

EQ
The EQ section includes 4 bands of parametric EQ, from wide bells to narrow boost and cuts, loaded with the console’s original ballistics and Q characteristics.

Output
The output section includes a VU meter and plasma-style PPM meter, plus a stereo imaging control and an output fader.

Insert Point
In CLA MixHub’s channel view, the insert point can be used for adding an additional Waves plugin to your MixHub’s chain, making it a one-stop solution for your entire mix.

Chris Lord-Alge on CLA MixHub:
“Mixing in buckets means the world to me. It’s one of the secrets to my success and to my fast-paced, decisive mixing. By creating this plugin, I’m able to give others access to that same quick workflow in a plugin, pushing the envelope of in-the-box mixing to the next, CLA-approved level.”

For more information: CLA MixHub Plugin | Waves


I wonder how many mouse clicks this thing will actually save you?

Just buy a Console 1... they're like £300 right now.

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I wonder how many mouse clicks this thing will actually save you?

Just buy a Console 1...
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First impressions: Rather high CPU load, latency due to oversampling. Input section is nice, generally not impressed. BX Console SSL4000 E sounds better to me with far less CPU and no latency

Found a bug on EQ treble section, processing bypass occasionally with BELL/SHELF switch. The treble boost sounds strange to me. Mid and bass section is improvement over the legacy version of E Channel

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working on the demo now, gotta say my first thoughts are for me its a better workflow then my Console One. Just turning the knobs, and it sounds like an SSL 4K.

Still demoing, but looks promising for those that miss the LFC workflow. Also, haven't been able to get a good read on CPU load. It looks a bit higher then BX_SSL and Console One.

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Will try this one in the morning. But first impression while reading from their site is, uhmm, why not get a controller for that workflow? All these options are already available in a DAW. Group Channel, VCA Channels, Auxes etc. Why didnt they incorporate some NLS variance to this also. Lets hear how it sounds in the morning! Cant wait!

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Originally Posted by rojhmusic➡️

Will try this one in the morning. But first impression while reading from their site is, uhmm, why not get a controller for that workflow? All these options are already available in a DAW. Group Channel, VCA Channels, Auxes etc. Why didnt they incorporate some NLS variance to this also. Lets hear how it sounds in the morning! Cant wait!

I think this really hits on the idea of using ProTools as the Playback device and focus your work on the console (well plugin of a console). Very similar to the idea that Console One has been promoting. However, waves have did it with a software-only solution. I think its a very clever approach.

I got the Console One when it was released. Loved it in my room, however it became a problem when i started to work in other studios. Packing it up and carrying it around became not worth the effort. I periodicially contact softube asking for a solution for non-hardware workflows (aka using my SSL 9k C1 without hardware on a fresh session).

I like the idea here that waves is selling. Just doing a mix of drums with just the plugin opened is nice. Having access at all the dyn and eqs at one time.

In the end, the real question is going to be CPU load for me. Can i do a mix without taking a large chunk of my CPU.

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If this includes analog summing emulation and channel variance emulation it could be interesting. Seems like most of the press focus is on workflow over sound. The workflow doesn’t seem appealing to me. I get it, he uses 10 fingers at once... I don’t have 10 mouse cursors.

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They should just go ahead and make a full DAW out of it!

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This looks like it could be a lot of fun on a touchscreen. Waves plugins are already multitouch in Win 10, so you’ll be able to grab multiple controls at once.

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I already get this 'workflow' on my D-Command (ICON) system with pro tools. 24 faders, eq/inserts/sends/automation + centre section hardware knobs for eq (any eq not just waves all-in-one) and compression/gates/limiter....

obviously not everyone has or wants mid/large controllers but the video talks as if that kind of workflow hasn't already been available 'in the box' (with a good controller) for years already. But I can just call up any plug I want on the Dcommand, mix and match.

I think they are selling a red-herring here, as if by trying to shoe-horn CLA's workflow and console into a plug-in you'll suddenly be mixing like him, each mixer should find their own path. CLA's way won't suit everyone, maybe Tchad Blake's way is better (I prefer it) for example.

I think it is very obviously another marketing stunt/gimmick from waves, note how they can't ever just sell a plug in for what it is but it always has to have a famous name tacked on to validate it? That to me smacks of marketing to the naive rather than striving to seriously aid mixing or help newer mix engineers, who frankly should be finding their own path as said and using a variety of plugs as and when needed not trying to emulate a workflow that pretty much depends on physical controls, without any hardware, not even a controller, with a mouse and KB fully ITB. Selling a hazy dream, I've been mixing for years and been through these cycles of new toys/methods myself in the past and it always comes back to your own workflow and often bespoke plugs/hardware/hybrid as and when you need it.

If waves put as much time into making their plug-ins sound better and less time concocting ways to impress the easily impressionable (and often naive) then I may cut them some slack.

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Originally Posted by ToneKontrol➡️

I already get this 'workflow' on my D-Command (ICON) system with pro tools. 24 faders, eq/inserts/sends/automation + centre section hardware knobs for eq (any eq not just waves all-in-one) and compression/gates/limiter....

obviously not everyone has or wants mid/large controllers but the video talks as if that kind of workflow hasn't already been available 'in the box' (with a good controller) for years already. But I can just call up any plug I want on the Dcommand, mix and match.

I think they are selling a red-herring here, as if by trying to shoe-horn CLA's workflow and console into a plug-in you'll suddenly be mixing like him, each mixer should find their own path. CLA's way won't suit everyone, maybe Tchad Blake's way is better (I prefer it) for example.

I think it is very obviously another marketing stunt/gimmick from waves, note how they can't ever just sell a plug in for what it is but it always has to have a famous name tacked on to validate it? That to me smacks of marketing to the naive rather than striving to seriously aid mixing or help newer mix engineers, who frankly should be finding their own path as said and using a variety of plugs as and when needed not trying to emulate a workflow that pretty much depends on physical controls, without any hardware, not even a controller, with a mouse and KB fully ITB. Selling a hazy dream, I've been mixing for years and been through these cycles of new toys/methods myself in the past and it always comes back to your own workflow and often bespoke plugs/hardware/hybrid as and when you need it.

If waves put as much time into making their plug-ins sound better and less time concocting ways to impress the easily impressionable (and often naive) then I may cut them some slack.
I mean, that’s how it’s been for years.. even Nebula jumped in that boat with Greg Wells.

I suspect with Wells and CLA that they actually put time in working with the devs...

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They should just go ahead and make a full DAW out of it!

Like Harrison Consoles did, with Mixbus and Mixbus32C?

Compression and EQ on every channel, in a DAW.

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Originally Posted by brucerothwell➡️

Like Harrison Consoles did, with Mixbus and Mixbus32C?

Compression and EQ on every channel, in a DAW.

As a MixBus and PT user, that's exactly my thought. All the tools are right there, just mix.

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Originally Posted by ToneKontrol➡️

I already get this 'workflow' on my D-Command (ICON) system with pro tools. 24 faders, eq/inserts/sends/automation + centre section hardware knobs for eq (any eq not just waves all-in-one) and compression/gates/limiter....

obviously not everyone has or wants mid/large controllers but the video talks as if that kind of workflow hasn't already been available 'in the box' (with a good controller) for years already. But I can just call up any plug I want on the Dcommand, mix and match.

I think they are selling a red-herring here, as if by trying to shoe-horn CLA's workflow and console into a plug-in you'll suddenly be mixing like him, each mixer should find their own path. CLA's way won't suit everyone, maybe Tchad Blake's way is better (I prefer it) for example.

I think it is very obviously another marketing stunt/gimmick from waves, note how they can't ever just sell a plug in for what it is but it always has to have a famous name tacked on to validate it? That to me smacks of marketing to the naive rather than striving to seriously aid mixing or help newer mix engineers, who frankly should be finding their own path as said and using a variety of plugs as and when needed not trying to emulate a workflow that pretty much depends on physical controls, without any hardware, not even a controller, with a mouse and KB fully ITB. Selling a hazy dream, I've been mixing for years and been through these cycles of new toys/methods myself in the past and it always comes back to your own workflow and often bespoke plugs/hardware/hybrid as and when you need it.

If waves put as much time into making their plug-ins sound better and less time concocting ways to impress the easily impressionable (and often naive) then I may cut them some slack.
Like someone said, not everyone wants/needs yet another controller sitting on the desk. This is definitely a workflow enhancer to me. But I haven't heard it yet, not a huge fan of SSL anyway.

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I think it is very obviously another marketing stunt/gimmick from waves, note how they can't ever just sell a plug in for what it is but it always has to have a famous name tacked on to validate it?

You say that as if all Waves plugins are like that. Yes they've been very successful licensing big names or brands like Abbey Roads and API plugins. But they also have plenty of plugins without names attached like the H-Series and Sibilance.

Anyway there are companies like UAD and Plugin Alliance where pretty much all their products have licensed brands. Does it mean the UAD 1073 is crap if it has the official Neve licence? Maybe UAD can't flog plugins without famous names tacked on to validate them.

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There seems to be a bug when engaging the bell buttons. Anyone else having this problem besides the first poster?

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Lovely concept and sounding plugin with lot’s of bugs.
This is on my list when everything is running smoooth.

This is very clever and I really like the bucket view idea for listening faders up and making balance changes without closing and opening different plugins. Love that there's an insert slot on it for other plugins. Right on.

Loving the concept and where things are starting to go. Years ago I mentioned somewhere on here that DAW programs should start offering sort of "console" packages. Say you like SSL...wouldn't it be cool if Pro Tools offered an "SSL Package" that basically turned the mix window in Pro Tools into an SSL 4000 E...kinda like Harrison Mixbus with the 32C?

Anyways, I've been waiting for this stuff to start happening for years...glad we are moving in that direction. Holding off on this plugin for now as I haven't upgraded my Waves plan from v9...but may check it out eventually. Nice job Waves

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If I was to use this, I'd want Mute and Solo functions right there, at least on the bucket view.

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meh...i was hoping for waves to release their own distressor emulation...but hey just add the CLA name to any plugin and you win easy money...

While I liked Waves SSL Bus comp I wasn't a fan of the EQ section on the Channel Strip. Is this an improvement? Or more of the same.

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Loving the concept and where things are starting to go. Years ago I mentioned somewhere on here that DAW programs should start offering sort of "console" packages. Say you like SSL...wouldn't it be cool if Pro Tools offered an "SSL Package" that basically turned the mix window in Pro Tools into an SSL 4000 E...kinda like Harrison Mixbus with the 32C?

For years we have already had Harrison Mixbus like you've mentioned, and Propellerhead's Reason with its rather elaborate SSL console emulation, so technically the concept has been around for a long while now in regards to Harrison and SSL.

I guess the reason most of the attention so far seems to be on the workflow that this plug-in can provide is because sound wise, if you don't care about having a LFC workflow ITB, there are already console emulation plug-ins out there that will sound just as good or better than whatever this new product is currently offering in that department.

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🎧 5 years

This looks neat. Perfect for my mobile mixing setup where I don't have my console 1 with me. Will try it on the weekend.

edit: are you able to switch to the brown EQs?

Tried it out on a few sessions to see how easy it was to use.

Some of the knobs feel jumpy. The width knob especially.

The EQ here is WAY better than the SSL Legacy plug. What did they do to that mid section?

I get the workflow but not every song needs this sort of treatment...Feels like it would get boring over time. Plus, I already setup my own PT sessions, now I have to set this up as well? It just adds time and effort away from actual mixing for me.

Good for the hobbyist though. A stepping stone in some ways...

EQ sounds great though...

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hmm- every time I think I'm done with plugins, Waves tempt me with something.

That comment about mute and solo buttons is bang on though. This thing will be hugely annoying to use without that feature. Also, what about sends to reverbs, etc? Presumably those happen in your DAW and you put those in one of the buckets, but it still leads to an uneasy mix of conventional DAW workflow and this thing. If it was $29 (which it will inevitably be at some point), I'd probably get it.

Am looking forward to reports of how this sounds, and I'll probably end up demoing it at some point.

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Good for the hobbyist though. A stepping stone in some ways...

Definitely. A good way to help some people learn how to keep things simpler while working ITB.

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I really like it. There is some overdrive going on when you push the channels. And it feels really different than the classic waves channelstrip. It really holds up with the UAD SSL Mk2.

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